Yeah, I've been to NY.  I know what you mean…

Without the 'fear' of getting hit by a projectile, the physical realism of the game is lost.  If you don't feel the round hit or pay no attention to it, the game becomes more like 'posing'.  Having the gear and playing the role. 

This is a big reason why I do like paintball and the associated 'pain' of a good hit.  Tactics change from strict theory when you want to avoid the hit. Its hard not to flinch when you are hit. Pain is a great teacher just nobody wants to take the class.

I can see this as still a grass root movement.  The more realistic markers and mods that come out into the market and with the advent of first strike, I can see a more cohesive gelling of what it means to actually be a milsim player.  You wouldn't be able to call yourself one unless you had the gear and walked the walk.

RecMech said:

even if a gun jas similar operation to a real gun it isn't milsim, milsim is more about the playing style and woodsball isn't really milsim any more are real life soldiers walking around the woods trying to capture the opther teams flag. if your doing milsim it means you doing a miltary simulation, do we ever do that in paintball, no not really. the .43 caliber trinity and rap 4 rifles are milsim, and they're used in milsim situations which i think should be called simcom or simulated combat. using a t9/t8/tpx/eraser & chaser/t68/milsig/x7/a5/98/engler or any other paintball gun similar to those are used for simcom. if milsim actually existed in paintball then it would be outlawed in most country's, it'd be black pb's with blood red fill using .43 cal at 380fps (or higher), the guns would be modified real ones and only military could do it. a civilian doesn't know how the military works (my dad's in the military), so we might as well be prancing around with sling shots that are bright pink and shoot maybe 1 ball every 10 seconds (i have used my sling shot with pb's). woods ball isn't milsim it's wanna be milsim. cqb2 in toronto is about the closest any field will ever come to real milsim, and that there would be more like hrt training. that's my opinion on milsim paintball, it's probably gonna be the most hated comment here but i don't care. thats it.

Wow, Recmech,

It's all good man. You don't need to be so defensive…  I think you raised some interesting points.  I believe that milsim is more than the sum of it's parts.  Sure, a realistic marker isn't milsim.  Having Army fatigues isn't milsim.  Using military phrases or playing with army style tactics isn't necessarily milsim.  The intent of the like minded, individual players banding together to recreate and emulate a style of play similar to that of the military I think is more milsim.

I think we could be argueing over semantics here.  Milsim or Simcom?  Milsim is the one more recognised and for lack of a better term, is the one that seems to have stuck.

Of course, how far you are willing to go to be true milsim right now is up to the individual players or groups.  CQB does well because its new and cutting edge.  Granted, perhaps more real than capture the flag games, but perhaps not any more real than some of the senario games I've played.

I don't think having too many real  additions to the game like red fill pballs ,for instance, is a good thing.  We want to make the game user friendly and attract more players to the fields, not turn them away.  If someone is attracted to paintball because of speedballl, woodsball going to a senario game, whatever, its a good thing.  Later they can branch out and find their niche.  Originally, I only really knew of speedball.  I personally don't care much for it myself, but it got me involved and  from there I was exposed to scenario and milsim.  As long as it gets people involved.